Superficial Victory in the Manhunt Crusade
Submitted by Aidan, who has previously written for TNG about Happiness and Gayness.
Zack's post last week on Manhunt raised many interesting questions on Manhunt in particular and online cruising in general. As has been pointed out, there is a lot going on here, too much to fully discuss in one post or comment string, and probably even too much to discuss in a lengthy book. I'd repeat Ben's exhortation for people to submit their own posts on this matter because it is important and fun, and (in my view) a big part of what TNG is all about to discuss this sort of issue.
To begin with: Crutchely. His removal from the board of Manhunt's parent corporation is hardly any sort of victory for the crowd who feels that gay rights are best advanced by opposing Republicans at every opportunity. First, the fact that he is no longer a board member probably affects his annual income by something like $0-$20,000 (unless Manhunt's parent corporation is unusually generous in its board member compensation, in which case it will affect his income by maybe $70,000). As a major shareholder in Manhunt, he will still receive millions in dividends every year.
Additionally, all this fuss was raised by his donation of $2,300 to the McCain campaign, which is the maximum allowable amount under current campaign finance law. Okay, at this point I'd just like to remind everyone that this dude is so wildly wealthy that he can donate $2,300 to the Republican presidential candidate every four years for like, eternity. He could set up a trust in his estate to do that very thing for a measly part of his current net worth. Boycotting Manhunt is not going to affect his ability to do that. His removal from the Manhunt board was only a PR move. The fundamental equation remains that a large portion of money from Manhunt subscription revenue will end up as money in Crutchely's wallet. The only thing that will change that is a buyout of his equity stake, and given what was stated in the article about Manhunt's finances, that's probably at least a couple hundred million.
So does the guy just like to give Republicans $2,300 every four years, or does he have a more extensive history of contributing to right wing Political Action Committees, congressional candidates, think tanks, etc.? I don't know.
The larger issue here though is whether all Republicans are evil. My view: the two party system ain't goin' nowhere. Current demographic trends seem to indicate that younger Republicans are taking a more gay friendly stance; if people like Crutchely are helping that along, what of it? I can understand if one wanted to avoid giving Manhunt their business because of other issues like Universal Health Care or Environmentalism - but gay rights? This isn't a battle that's going to be won by the ascendancy of liberal Democrats in American politics. Republicans will be there for a long, long time. Democrats will be there for a long, long time.
Boycotting Manhunt won't change these facts – which is not to say I don't think it's a good idea for a whole host of reasons, but Crutchely's political leanings is not one of them.
7 comments:
"...So does the guy just like to give Republicans $2,300 every four years, or does he have a more extensive history of contributing to right wing Political Action Committees, congressional candidates, think tanks, etc.? I don't know. ..."
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/search.phtml?PHPSESSID=59c02910797f25c311e2c032b0ff0736&searchbox=Jonathan+Crutchley
Looks like he was a small time contributor to Democrat and Republicans at the state level.
Others searches at Open Secrets and the Huffington Post don't show any contributions prior to this year at the Presidential level.
I'm pretty wary of statements that would imply that just under half of the nation is evil.
In recent years, I've come across young gay republicans, who don't let their sexuality be the be all and end all when it comes to their politics.
It's not particularly useful or productive for the community to try and alienate them. You'd think that embracing diversity really should be our community's thing. Surely there's room for an "R" in the ever-growing alphabet soup that is the LGBTQA community.
Also, James Kirchick has an interesting take on the shaming of manhunt in the LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-kirchick26-2008aug26,0,1400460.story).
Isn't the bigger issue here that 'we' are giving any credibility to the website? This is thenewgay after all and IMHO if 'we' want to be taken seriously as a unique demographic of people who make up this world and not just deviants we need to focus on REAL relationships and less on 'hooking' up...
*sigh
Re: Andrew...
"I've come across young gay republicans, who don't let their sexuality be the all and end all when it comes to their politics".
It is naive to assume, or imply, all Gay Democrats define their politics by Gay issues alone. The objection to Gay Republicans is not based on solely on conservatives anti-Gay hostility.
Being a Gay Democrat has never been single issue oriented around Gay rights alone. There are other, arguably more important, issues than Gay marriage, etc. In this election especially we are faced with the future of stem cell research, the Supreme Court, the economy, universal healthcare, guns, abortion, global warming, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, etc. On all of these issues the Republicans are simply wrong because on all issues they have a closed minded philosophy and are against the responsible expansion of rights where and when applicable.
It is extremely difficult for intelligent people not to alienate those who are clearly acting against their own interests. Nonetheless it is necessary for us to tolerate each other.
Jesus.
This IS NOT about punishing Jonathan Crutchley. Talk about going after a symptom instead of the problem.
Gays paying memberships to Manhunt is like Jews investing in Nazi arms manufacturers. The profits of Manhunt are used to fund a political machine that seeks to destroy us. Those profits will still flow to Jonathan Crutchley who will still donate to Republicans even though he has resigned from the board.
Do you get it yet?
Re: Anonymous #1
It certainly would be naïve to assume that all gay Democrats are mindlessly so. I'd say the vast majority of politically active people (gay or straight) have thought long and hard about why they believe what they believe.
Most of the time, on gay rights, the Democrats beat the Republicans hands down on gay rights (I can't think of a time that they haven't).
But to pretend that the Democratic Party is entirely pro-gay is not accurate either. Senator Obama is opposed to gay marriage. And while he also opposes a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and woman, he's clearly not 100% for gay rights. But, you'd certainly be hard pressed to say Senator McCain is better than or even equal to Senator Obama on gay issues.
However, what I'm pointing out is that for people who don't share the Democratic Party's views on taxes, gun control, abortion, etc., it is no doubt a tricky balance to strike, and the fact that coming out as Republican to your gay friends can be almost as rough as coming out gay to your family is a shame.
Re: Anonymous #2
Um, no. Last I checked the Republicans were not, in fact, trying to commit mass murder upon the gay population.
There are certainly plenty of people who are bigoted, hateful, etc., and who try and set back gay rights. There are certainly plenty of people who commit hate crimes.
But to insinuate that people who vote differently than you do are investing in the genocide of America's gay population is not a particularly persuasive argument, and certainly not hugely helpful in bridging the divide in an increasingly polarized United States.
Travis said...
Isn't the bigger issue here that 'we' are giving any credibility to the website? This is thenewgay after all and IMHO if 'we' want to be taken seriously as a unique demographic of people who make up this world and not just deviants we need to focus on REAL relationships and less on 'hooking' up...
Travis, it's "thenewgay," not "thenewconservativegay."
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