Does Defending Ourselves Hurt Us?
This post was submitted by "Tim," who has an opinion about the Jay Leno controversy. We've included the video at the end of post, so you can decide for yourself if you agree with him.
Jay Leno made a bad gay joke on his show while interviewing Ryan Phillippe, and has since apologized. The joke so upset Jeff Whitty, the writer of Avenue Q, that he responded to Leno’s gaff by sending an email to him outlining how Leno sees gay people (Leather wearing, disco dancing, Judy Garland lovers) as opposed to how Jeff Whitty sees gay people (people that commit suicide, get gay bashed verbally and physically, etc, etc).
The joke happened in the context of interviewing Ryan Phillippe about his past roles, one of which was a gay teenager. Leno asked him to look into the camera and make his "gayest face," to which Ryan declined, looking upset that Leno would go that route.
Whitty responded by creating a website to show off his gayest face, which features a picture of him flipping off Leno and encouraging others to flip him off, which people did.
Whitty and his flippers are upset at Leno for portraying stereotypes of gay people, yet they respond with a stereotype--throwing a hissy fit. In addition, they lower themselves by posting pictures of themselves flipping off Leno. Couldn’t Jeff take the higher ground in his reaction?
It was a joke, and best off all, Ryan refused to go along, and called Jay on it. To me, that is more effective in stopping bad behavior than posting a rant and a fuck you. Our reaction to bad humor shouldn't be to give it more attention. To the contrary, Whitty-like reactions should be considered embarrassing.
We go too far sometimes when defending ourselves. Why so outraged over a bad joke when it’s humor that has brought the idea of homosexual "normalization" to so many people? Will and Grace wasn’t popular because of serious gay issues, but because of humor, which was often sterotypical. Ellen reached a landmark episode when she came out, but it was also one of her funniest shows. Now, she beats Oprah in the ratings for daytime talk shows.
We use humor and jokes to get people to accept us, yet we turn on anyone that uses the same sterotypes? I’m sorry, Mr. Whitty, but Avenue Q has its share of homo stereotypes in it, doesn’t it? Nicky and Rod are a cliché. Rod, a closet gay man in love with his straight room mate, doesn’t like to be interrupted while reading about musicals of the 1930s. Also, don't you reference fisting as a sex act for gay people? All stereotypes.
So it’s only ok to use stereotypes if you are gay? Not in my book. You don’t have to be gay to understand how some gay people are in fact, stereotypes. I’m sure Leno knows gay people and has friends that are gay. Some of them probably act stereotypically. They may have even sat around on his couch drinking beer and making gay faces at each other. Who knows.
We don’t need to get worked up over something that comes across wrong, or is poorly thought out, if there isn’t spite or malice intended. Ironically, all this reaction has done is reinforce those stereotypes Whitty thinks Jay Leno is guilty of reinforcing.
9 comments:
I think my gayest look would be me hugging my boyfriend. Why fight hatred with hatred, when you can fight it with love.
I'll give you that Ellen might've used humor to advance the cause by handling coming out in a realistic, respectful fashion that straight people could probably undestand.
But Will and Grace? According to the show, gay man are either boring and snappy or one man broadway musicals, and either way they never have sex.
jack had lots of sex, zack. i think will and grace did more to increase the acceptance of witty alcoholics more than the gays.
I'm inclined to believe that fighting the good fight is best done without concern for good taste or decorum...that is to say, I believe behaving in a manner so as to avoid being offensive is pandering to the oppressor(s) and ultimately dilutes the cause.
I was one of those "Fuck You Jay" people who posted their picture on www.thegayestlook.com and I don't regret it for a second. There's this expectation in the LGBTQ community (especially) that we do as much as possible to avoid upsetting the tempestuous straight folks who often make our lives hell. It's akin to internalized homophobia in the form of finding "straight acting" a preferable attribute in a partner.
We can't all get along, and it's ridiculous to think that we should, especially according to the Master's preference. Finally, it is the right of the oppressed group (in this case, queers) to create and use humor according to our desires and it does NOT mean that anyone else is welcome to it.
Well, I have to say that Leno maintains a constant stream of cheap, gay jokes. I'm almost with you, but sometimes I watch him and think "Jeesh...really?" Its sort of the same when SNL has gay jokes, but no openly-gay writers or performers.
Leno is flanked every night by openly-gay band leader Vicki Randle, but she has never been mentioned as such on the show. Perhaps if Leno acknowledged that fact (just as he acknowledges the heterosexuality of the other band members) on camera, then his gay jokes could be taken in a lighter way.
Not to be too heavy, but there is a big difference when fag jokes are used by straight people alongside their gay counterparts versus fag jokes used by straight people at the expense of their straight counterparts.
Not to be too Debbie Downer. Wah-wah.
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Not to be a comment whore, but I should point out the contrast with someone like Conan O'Brien who repeatedly uses gay jokes. But, the way they are written conveys his acceptance and normality of gay people.
Similarly, Jimmy Kimmel utilizes grade-school gay humor, but usually in a way that conveys an acceptance as well. I mean, he is fucking Ben Affleck. Leno's joke are usually written from a different perspective.
Homophobia from elders tends to not bother me so much. It's ignorant, of course, but there's a generation gap. They spent most of their lives in an atmosphere where bigotry towards homosexuals was universally acceptable. Their minds haven't caught up with reality. It's not okay and it's obnoxiously outmoded, but bottom line: theirs is a lame duck generation.
I always got a bumbling moron vibe from Leno, anyway. Conan will end his reign of terror soon enough.
Um, the Jimmy Kimmel bit, which I found funny, had stereotype imagery of how gay men dress. Sure it was over the top, but it was still a stereotype about how outrageous and flamboyant gay men dress, and how they openly flaunt their sexuality in doing so.
So what mindset was behind Kimmel's joke that makes it ok, but Leno's not?
Does it possibly just come down to this. If we find it funny and we like the person, it's ok, clearly they don't mean any malice by it, but if we don't like them or we don't think it was funny, it's clearly bad and wrong and meant to be hurtful.
If that's the case, then everyone is both right and wrong at the same time, but also, no one really has any room to complain, since that is just situational ethics.
im sorry but im tired of taking the high road. ive taken shit for being gay all my life so throwing a hissy fit does not seem that ridiculous. and is giving the middle finger to leno really portraying stereotypes? if anything it portrays gays as a strong group not to be effed with.
sure, gay's normalization started with humor as it has with many other minorities. but at some point we have to STOP being the butt of the joke. there is no gayest look just as there is no straightest look or most chinese look or most jewish look etc etc etc etc.
i can joke about being a fob or immigrant because hey im chilean and own it. that does not give any other person of a different ethnicity the same right. similarly i dont feel like people of different sexual orientations can make jokes about my own.
he has gay friends so that makes it okay? you know how many n bombs ive heard from people followed by "oh its okay i have black friends!" no its not okay, its still racist you douche. and if you say "thats so gay" around me and youre my friend ill call you on it because just because were friends does not give you the right to ever say that.
we need to START speaking up for ourselves. we NEED to defend ourselves because no one else will!
there is a difference between being laughed with and laughed at.
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